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Andy_B
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Posted: 10 Jan 2006
Hello everyone, im quite new to all this forum stuff, but this site is amazing and ive been fascinated by our native herps since a young boy! This was probably helped by the abundant population of slow worms and common lizards in our back garden, it can be teeming with them on suitable days.

The garden backs onto a railway bank (hav already replied 2 a post about railways n herps) and there is loads of suitable habitat for these 2 species, i.e scrub/brush, long and short grassy areas, lawn, old walls, south facing undisturbed banks and piles of old timber and other junk that slow worms seem to love!

Anyway the main point of this post is that i was wondering if i cud do anything to help you guys by surveying, photographing or creating more habitat areas seeing as its onli a step outside the back door! i am quite knowledgeable of our reptiles but by no means an expert, i know its a bit early yet but if u can let me know if theres anythin i can do 2 help then i can get prepared for the spring. many thanks for your time. Andy
GemmaJF
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Posted: 11 Jan 2006

Hi Andy, seems like you have an ideal situation to study some of the great unknowns!

I would love to know if viviparous lizards have a distinct home range or show any form of site fidelity. The small number that can be seen in our garden can disappear for months on end, only to then return again to their favourite basking spots. I'm not sure if anyone has ever studied their seasonal movements. I'm also not sure if our garden residents are actually moving to somewhere else or if it is a case that they are not easily observed in our garden during some months of the summer. This might be a good project for using a mark/recapture techniques such as photo ID.

I'm sure other forum members can come up with some other suggestions and help out with methodology. 

Slow-worms are probably the least studied of all our native reptiles, seems like a good opportunity to do some longterm study, for instance does recruitment occur from outside of your garden or is it a self-sustaining population?

So come on peeps, lets have some more suggestions for a project for Andy whilst we are waiting for the sun to rise a little higher at midday


Gemma Fairchild, Independent Ecological Consultant
Andy_B
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Posted: 11 Jan 2006
I wouldnt be completely sure if either species have any recruitment from elsewhere but being quite an urban area i imagine any new arrivals would travel along the railway line to and from nearby woodland, scrub etc.

I'll take sum pics of my site so you guys can get a better idea of what its like, but both species breed very well, theyres always juvenile slow worms, and viviparous lizards around later in the year. A favourite south facing overgrown bank can be literally teeming with viviparous lizards, and nearby tin dustbin lids and wood piles the favourite for slow worms.

Having known all the easy places to find the slow worms since i was a child it makes me wonder just how many there are that get overlooked.
Any more info you'd like on the area, please just ask and thanks so much for your help! Andy
Mick
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Posted: 11 Jan 2006

Hi! Andy.  I'm the one who kicked off that Reptiles'n'Railways topic, & boy, am i envious of those like you who get plenty of reptiles naturally occuring in their back gardens. From the sound of it you could almost forget you were in Britain & not somewhere in the Med!..So, where are you then, Andy?..I'm presuming somewhere along the south coast.

All i can really suggest to further improve your gardens attractiveness to reptiles is to keep the area of your garden closest to the railway nice'n'wild lookin' & well open to the sun...Have some compost heaps there, some piles of old wood'n'dead branches, the odd pile of rocks, or bricky ruble, some junk, maybe a few car mats'n'tyres, etc..Basically keep that end of your garden a bit of a mess! Put a pond in there & you'll also likely get amphibians & the odd Grass snake too!

Anyway, all the best, Andy.

Mick.   


Andy_B
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Posted: 11 Jan 2006
Thanks Mick! Cant believe how helpful everyone is here! Anyways it does feel like the med some summer days, walking down the stone steps and havin to be careful not to step on any young viviparous! Im not on the south coast, im actually in South Bucks near the chiltern hills, far from the med (unfortunately) haha!

There are plenty of untidy areas in the garden, piles of timber/logs and 2 large compost heaps as well as a wildlife pond- always dreamed of seein a grass snake but none as of yet Some areas need clearin as the border by the railway cutting has become quite mature and is starting to shade areas, a job for me 2morrow i think!
mikebrown
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Posted: 11 Jan 2006

Andy,

I have replied to you on the 'Slow-Worm' thread which i had inadvertently put the original message on, but is it the railway line which runs from London to High Wycombe which you are referring to?

I knew the railway banks well around Gerrards Cross 30 odd years ago, and there were lots of Common Lizards and Slow-Worms then, and a few Grass Snakes as well. Not surprisingly, with the railway running East-West, most of the reptiles were on the sunny South-facing side!

Cheers,

Mike Brown


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Andy_B
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Posted: 11 Jan 2006
Ye thats the one! Nearer 2 Wycombe than GX. Have always dreamed of findin a grass snake but never have, maybe its a bit too urban where i am, also theres a lot of very dense dogwood on both sides of the line now so i wudnt think its suitable grass snake habitat. (i can always dream!)
Thanks Mike!
Suzi
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Posted: 11 Jan 2006

Andy,

Don't give up on the grass snakes. I live in an East Devon town and we get occasional grass snakes in the gardens here - mine have turned up in my compost heaps.Another found one under a piece of discarded corrugated tin (classic!). Some that are seen are quite large. They use a sunken stream and its banks to travel along and then slip into the gardens from there. Older neighbours say that years ago there were a lot more grass snakes iin the gardens as the bottom of the gardens near the stream were pretty rough but now there is a lot more neat lawns. Fortunately we have large gardens and some are still wildish so we do get them. I have lots of slow worms - over 30 - in my garden in the compost bins where they breed and hibernate. We don't have any lizards though - you are so lucky.


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GemmaJF
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Posted: 12 Jan 2006

I had given up on seeing a grassy in our garden, then this little one showed up last summer . We are in a rural part of Essex, though mostly arable fields, it seems that grass snakes and lizards are still  holding their ground along the hedgerows and in the margins of the occassional grazing paddocks around here. We only need an adder in the garden now to complete a full house of all four widespread native reptiles.. well I can always dream can't I  and the famous Essex coastal adders are not so far away

I also caught a glimpse of largish adult grassy in October basking in the marginal vegetation of our pond.. no sign afterwards though of a large female common frog that had turned up a few days before .. but that's life I guess. I really do hope that grass snakes will use our purpose built compost heap as an egg laying site.

Andy, have you tried putting down pre-prepared sheets of tin or roofing felt to help you survey the reptiles in your garden? Grass snakes can be extremely elusive and appear far more mobile than the other widespread species.. there are sites I've surveyed where though grassies were known to to be present in reasonable numbers it took a great deal of effort to confirm it.


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Andy_B
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Posted: 12 Jan 2006
wow thats a gorgeous grassy you got there im soooo jealous! There are various tin dustbin lids, and some corrugated asbestos on a log pile which for some reason the realy large male old timer slow worms seem to love. But i had a look at the whole area earlier today and it needs a bit of careful attention and strategic placing of more tin sheets before spring but i dont hold out much hope of sein a grassy as me and my dad spend a lot of time in the garden and in almost 20 years of living here nobodys mentioned any sightings.

I hav never done a real survey of the numbers in the garden but some days upwards of 30 lizards can easily be spotted in various locations and even more slow worms. Including very young slowies under 1 old dustbin lid there can be abut 15 together.

I have found that the slow worms seem to have their own favourite place, as i mentioned earlier some realy old thick bodied males are to be found mostly in 1 area and another beautiful and flawless female uses a lid at the bottom of the steps year after year!

Thanks again for everyones replies, im overwhelmed with all this attention but am more than happy to do my bit to help our little scaly friends which we all share something special with! Many thanks, Andy
Andy_B
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Posted: 12 Jan 2006
Hey peeps me again, ya must be sick of me haha! just found sum pics of young vivs taken in september, theyre a bit out ov focus (hadnt got to grips with my new digital cam at the time!) Makes you realise how small they are to think that rely cute one is hangin on to a normal garden hose pipe! I hope they work, not very sure how to upload them.


Mick
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Posted: 12 Jan 2006

Andy.  Both Gemma's pic' & yours look fine to me,..well done! Anyway, forgive me for presuming you were likely to be somewhere along the south coast but i just thought the numbers of reptiles you were talking about in your garden meant you were almost surely way down south somewhere. I'm thrilled i was wrong though, to know you get that many lizards in your garden, yet you're situated north of the capital & nowhere near the coast! I've no doubt the railway at the bottom of your garden's got a lot to do with it though, because as i've said elsewhere, railways are like ideal reptile distribution motorways. And coincidentally, i'm also along your Marylebone route, living in Banbury, & it's places along that line towards Bicester (& at places along the line towards Oxford) where i annually check up on colonies of railway reptiles i know of. And no, certainly still don't give up on seeing a Grass snake, because besides that species very much existing around The Chilterns & in south Buck's, there's good numbers of them along this end of your railway route.

Mick.    


Andy_B
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Posted: 19 Jan 2006
Hey thanks Mick i had given up on seein a Grass snake but maybe this year i'll b a bit more optemistic! Im currently changing the location of some of the refuges and creating some more habitats piles of dead vegetation, logs and bricks/rocks, and even trimming large bushes that are starting to block sunlight frm the favourite basking/hiding places.

I'll keep everyone posted on the progress and cant wait until spring, when ill hav more pictures and more accurate observations of numbers, locations used for basking, behaviour and weather conditions etc.
Andy
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Posted: 24 Jan 2006
Grass snakes can turn up in all sorts of places, not least London - so to reiterate everyone elseÆs sentiment - donÆt give up, although a little luck is always handy!  Going back to Gemma's comments earlier, I would be interested to know more about slow worm movements.  The work that I have been doing with allotment holders in London has shown that slow worm can be quite widespread in urban areas, including heavily built up spots such as parts of Ealing and Bromley.  The allotments are clearly important habitats for this species in towns and cities, especially where gardens are not common place.  One site springs to mind - surrounded by a very busy road, a school and a business park.  Slow worm was present here and easily seen together with smooth newt, common frog and a number of dragonfly larvae (which I didn't ID, although looked like darters). A self-sustaining population or do individuals make it there (against all odds) every now and then from elsewhere? My feeling would be that some immigration must occur, albeit rarely.rhysrkid38741.3437152778
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Andy_B
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Posted: 24 Jan 2006
Thanks for the reply Rhys im just overwhelmed by all the attention my lil post has got! I said earlier im no expert so how do i go about proving any slow worm migration or lack of. I know some specimens hav been around for quite some years and that i come across a lot of very young animals so theres definately breeding goin on, thanks again people Andy
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Posted: 30 Jan 2006
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